Obama Lied

The Obama Administration's fabricated story on the killing of bin Laden fell apart when one of the Seal team members involved in the shotting, told a different version.

The Obama Administration lied to the American people and the world.

Lied.

Biden: Better not take credit for this in the future

Jan 30, 2012 12:03pm

Joe Biden Advised Against the Osama bin Laden Raid

 

Vice President Joe Biden confessed this weekend that he advised President Obama not to launch the mission that ultimately killed Osama bin Laden last spring.

During remarks at a Democratic congressional retreat this weekend, Biden explained that when it came time to make the final decision, he had some lingering uncertainties about whether the 9/11 mastermind was in the suspected compound in Pakistan.

When the president asked his top advisers for their final opinion on the mission, all of them were hesitant, except for the former CIA director, now Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, Biden said.

“Every single person in that room hedged their bet except Leon Panetta. Leon said go. Everyone else said, 49, 51,” Biden said, as he offered the unsolicited details of the decision-making process.

“He got to me. He said, ‘Joe, what do you think?’ And I said, ‘You know, I didn’t know we had so many economists around the table.’ I said, ‘We owe the man a direct answer. Mr. President, my suggestion is, don’t go. We have to do two more things to see if he’s there,’” Biden recalled.

While the vice president did not explain what those two more things were, the next morning the president gave National Security Adviser Tom Donilon the “go” to launch the SEAL raid of the compound.

“He knew what was at stake, not just the lives of those brave warriors, but literally the presidency,” Biden said.

















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But I thought, the Left was supposed to want to save us, protect us from the Right, who were busy usurping our rights and violating our liberties and taking away our freedoms.





Calif. Governor Veto Allows Warrantless Cellphone Searches



By David Kravets
October 10, 2011

California Gov. Jerry Brown is vetoing legislation requiring police to obtain a court warrant to search the mobile phones of suspects at the time of any arrest.

The Sunday veto means that when police arrest anybody in the Golden State, they may search that person’s mobile phone — which in the digital age likely means the contents of persons’ e-mail, call records, text messages, photos, banking activity, cloud-storage services, and even where the phone has traveled.

Police across the country are given wide latitude to search persons incident to an arrest based on the premise of officer safety. Now the nation’s states are beginning to grapple with the warrantless searches of mobile phones done at the time of an arrest.

Brown’s veto message abdicated responsibility for protecting the rights of Californians and ignored calls from civil liberties groups and this publication to sign the bill — saying only that the issue is too complicated for him to make a decision about. He cites a recent California Supreme Court decision upholding the warrantless searches of people incident to an arrest. In his brief message, he also doesn’t say whether it’s a good idea or not.

Instead, he says the state Supreme Court’s decision is good enough, a decision the U.S. Supreme Court let stand last week.

“The courts are better suited to resolve the complex and case-specific issues relating to constitutional search-and-seizure protections,” the governor wrote.

Because of that January ruling from the state’s high court, the California Legislature passed legislation to undo it — meaning Brown is taking the side of the Supreme Court’s seven justices instead of the state Legislature. The Assembly approved the bill 70-0 and the state Senate, 32-4.

The bill’s sponsor, Sen. Mark Leno (D-San Francisco), was flummoxed by Brown’s action. “It was a curious veto message suggesting that the courts could resolve this more effectively than the state Legislature,” he said in a telephone interview.

Under California statehouse rules, neither Leno nor any other lawmaker may introduce the legislation for at least a year.

Orin Kerr, one of the nation’s leading Fourth Amendment experts, said Brown should have backed the state’s Legislature. “I think Governor Brown has it exactly backwards. It is very difficult for courts to decide Fourth Amendment cases involving developing technologies like cellphones,” he said.

In 2007, there were 332,000 felony arrests in California alone — a third of which did not result in conviction.

Brown’s veto also shores up support with police unions and the Peace Officers Research Association of California, a police union that opposed the legislation and recently donated $38,900 to Brown’s campaign coffers. “Restricting the authority of a peace officer to search an arrestee unduly restricts their ability to apply the law, fight crime, discover evidence valuable to an investigation and protect the citizens of California,” the association said in a message.

That support would be key if Brown decides to seek a second term.

In the last year alone, at least seven police unions donated more than $12,900 each to Brown. Those unions, including the California Association of Highway Patrolmen and the Sacramento County Deputy Sheriff’s Association, had given Brown more than $160,000 in combined contributions.





 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Bin Laden linked to Pakistani ISI ? Inconclusive, like death and taxes.

Of course nothing is conclusive, ever.  His death is not conclusive.  The moonwalk is still wondered about by a few die-hard souls, even Bigfoot is a question mark, aliens most assuredly are viable.  But this - this is not conclusive.





June 23, 2011 10:24 PM



Cellphone links Bin Laden to Pakistan intelligence agency asset



A cellphone taken by U.S. commandos during the raid last month that killed Osama bin Laden points to contacts between Pakistan's intelligence agency and a militant group used by the al-Qaeda leader "as part of his support network inside the country," according to a report in The New York Times.

However, the sources who briefed the Times said that the group, Harakat-ul-Mujahedeenn, were in contact with Pakistani intelligence and may have also met in person. There was no indication that the contacts were necessarily about Bin Laden, the story noted, adding that there "was no "smoking gun" showing that Pakistan's spy agency had protected Bin Laden."

Still, the disclosure is bound to raise more questions about how much Pakistan knew about Bin Laden's presence on its soil and whether it extended a protective umbrella. The topic has been another irritant in the increasingly fragile relationship between the United States and Pakistan, which was further frayed by fallout from the secret bin Laden raid in Pakistan. For their part, the Pakistanis have bridled at American suggestions they looked the other way.

For U.S. investigators, seeking to learn why Pakistani authorities failed to detect Bin Laden's arrival in Abbottabad, where the military has a major presence, it's another clue - and potentially a big one.

"It's a serious lead," according to an unnamed American official, who spoke with the TImes. "It's an avenue we're investigating."

Harakat-ul-Mujahedeen, which has strong support in the region, is believed to have several thousand armed supporters. The United States has designated the group, which has tight links with Pakistani intelligence, as a foreign terrorist organization.

The story notes that the group's leader, Maulana Fazlur Rehman Khalil, described as having a longstanding and close relationship with Bin Laden, "lives unbothered by Pakistani authorities on the outskirts of Islamabad."















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Pakistan: On the Hunt for Anyone Who Knew Bin Laden ... or just for anyone who helped CIA - whichever is easier.

Pakistan Arrests C.I.A. Informants in Bin Laden Raid



By ERIC SCHMITT and MARK MAZZETTI
The New York Times
June 14, 2011


WASHINGTON — Pakistan’s top military spy agency has arrested some of the Pakistani informants who fed information to the Central Intelligence Agency in the months leading up to the raid that led to the death of Osama bin Laden, according to American officials.

A casualty of the recent tension between the countries is an ambitious Pentagon program to train Pakistani paramilitary troops to fight Al Qaeda and the Taliban in the northwestern tribal areas.

Pakistan’s detention of five C.I.A. informants, including a Pakistani Army major who officials said copied the license plates of cars visiting Bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in the weeks before the raid, is the latest evidence of the fractured relationship between the United States and Pakistan. It comes at a time when the Obama administration is seeking Pakistan’s support in brokering an endgame in the war in neighboring Afghanistan.

At a closed briefing last week, members of the Senate Intelligence Committee asked Michael J. Morell, the deputy C.I.A. director, to rate Pakistan’s cooperation with the United States on counterterrorism operations, on a scale of 1 to 10.

“Three,” Mr. Morell replied, according to officials familiar with the exchange.

The fate of the C.I.A. informants arrested in Pakistan is unclear, but American officials said that the C.I.A. director, Leon E. Panetta, raised the issue when he travelled to Islamabad last week to meet with Pakistani military and intelligence officers.

Some in Washington see the arrests as illustrative of the disconnect between Pakistani and American priorities at a time when they are supposed to be allies in the fight against Al Qaeda — instead of hunting down the support network that allowed Bin Laden to live comfortably for years, the Pakistani authorities are arresting those who assisted in the raid that killed the world’s most wanted man.

[To read the entire story, click on the link above]

So .... how did they find this military major/colonel/general guy?  A lot of intelligence work.  And how did they know he took license plates of cars entering the compound - he knew it was being used and if he knew it, other Pakistani ISI / military had to have known ...  seems like a lot of work to track down the military guy.  Why not spend it hunting bin Laden.  More reason why these people are not our friend nor an ally.  They are pathological liars.










 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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You have to wonder: Russian and Iranian Ignorance

Surely we all have populations that need serious medical assistance.  Perhaps they need to sit quietly in the corner for a few hours and de-stress.  Perhaps they need to consult a medical professional for help with prescription medication to aide their well-being.

Whether it is the 'birthers' or the '9/11 Loose Change' nuts, we have enough. 

Those people tend to be the average person - run of the mill, daily type.

Whereas in Iran - it reaches to the highest reaches of government where insanity has found a home, and in Russia where insanity is required to work in the media, and the ability to pervert the truth so your citizens are completely daft all the time is crucial.


Iran's intelligence: Bin Laden had died of illness long before the U.S. operation




By Eugene Gribanov
10-05-2011, 06:02


Iran's Minister of Information, Heidar Moslehi said that he had documentary evidence that the leader of al-Qaida, Osama bin Laden died of illness long before the American special forces operations to eliminate it in Pakistan.

"Why is the U.S. military and U.S. security forces have refused to show bin Laden's body and dumped it into the sea, if in fact they arrested and killed him?" We have precise information that bin Laden had died some time ago ... and we have documents confirming this fact, "- Iranian media quoted words of the head of the Ministry, which serves as the Islamic Republic Ministry of Intelligence and Security.

As noted by RIA Novosti news agency, earlier information about the death of the terrorist number one not once appeared in various media.

In particular, in 2006 the French newspaper Est Republicain citing a secret intelligence report of France said that the leader of al-Qaida had died of typhoid in Pakistan. Later refuted this information, several foreign governments. In 2007, shortly before her death, Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto said that bin Laden is killed.

[there is more but it is all drivel anyway]

The Russian newspapers publish this rubbish so as to enlighten their readers with horribly stupid lies that require a restructuring of reality.  In Iran, it tends to be more common - they all tend to be living in a delusional world.


Keep in mind that bin Laden's daughter told the world press they came in and shot her father.

That the world saw the compound burning after - they had come in and shot her father dead.

That his wife was shot while protecting him, after they came in and shot him dead.

That his other wife was also protecting him and publicly stated they came in and shot him dead and tied them up and left and would have taken them all had it not been for the crashed helicopter, on fire in the compound after it crashed, when they came to shoot bin Laden dead.

Al Qaida admitted they killed him dead.

Pakistan confirmed they came in and killed him dead.

But Iran knows he died years earlier, even though his ghost was watching a video of Obama on TV and we see the screen image in the photo  and the video.

That previous video messages have all been confirmed to be him, including the most recent one - commenting on events which occurred days before he was killed dead by the Seal team after their chopper was destroyed and the compound caught fire.

Reality must be ignored in favor of delusion.  There is a word for this - INSANITY.














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Pakistani Intellect

And we are supposed to care what other people think.  Respect what they believe?

Even when they are complete and total idiots? 



ROBBINS: Pakistanis say bin Laden was not behind 9/11


James S. Robbins
Washington Times
Published on May 9, 2011

Most people in Pakistan either think Osama bin Laden had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks, or that he did and they were justified. According to a survey of Pakistanis released last Friday by YouGov, 46% believe that "Osama Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda had nothing to do with the [9/11] attacks" and 6% say that "Osama Bin Laden rightly authorized the attacks as part of a justified war against American values and imperialism." Only 16% were willing to say that the attacks "were a criminal, terrorist action organized by Al-Qaeda and authorized by Osama Bin Laden," while 31% chose not to offer an opinion.

Other key results from the survey include:

Two thirds of respondents do not believe the person killed in the Abbottabad raid was Osama bin Laden;

Despite Obama administration claims that bin Laden's burial at sea was in accordance with Islamic practices, 75% disapproved of it and say "he should have been given a Muslim burial on land;"

75% disapprove of U.S. actions in the takedown, while only 11% approve;

77% oppose a U.S. troop presence in Pakistan;

Despite the Obama administration's obsequious outreach to Islam, 74% believe the U.S. government does not respect Islam and considers itself at war with the Muslim world;

86% oppose Pakistan government cooperation with U.S. drone attacks on militant groups.

To their credit, 70% of Pakistanis do not believe that Islamabad should accept U.S. foreign assistance, so at least they are sincere in their dislike of our country. But it says a lot about the Obama administration's failure to deliver the promised new era of relations between Pakistan and the United States.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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European Moral Idiots

The problem is not with Merkel expressing joy ... it is with the moral idiots who complained.  No wonder your continent is slowly sinking into a muck it will be unable to extricate itself from.  The EU birthrate is so low, your cultures will not exist in 80 years - but his will.

And to believe that - oh but we are better and we do not do what he does ... please, get off your horse before you have no horse and no voice.  Moral idiots are worse than ... well, much else.




Merkel slammed for joy over bin Laden killing


4 May 11 09:06 CET



Several German politicians on Wednesday criticized Chancellor Angela Merkel for expressing joy over the death of terrorist leader Osama bin Laden, saying it sent the wrong message.

Katrin Göring-Eckardt, Green party MP, Bundestag vice president and leading member of the Evangelical Church of Germany, told the Berliner Zeitung she was glad bin Laden was no longer leading a terrorist group. “But you can’t be happy about his death,” she said.

On Monday, Merkel told reporters that bin Laden’s death at the hands of US forces was “good news.”

“I’m glad that killing bin Laden was successful,” she said.

The criticism of Merkel's comments is coming not only from political opposition, but from her own party, echoing discomfort expressed by some observers at the emotional, celebratory reaction of many Americans and foreign politicians around the world after bin Laden’s killing.

Siegfried Kauder, a member of Merkel’s conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU), slammed her remarks, calling them reminiscent of something a person would say in the “middle ages.”

“I would not have formulated them like this,” he said to the Passauer Neuen Presse, expressing doubts that killing bin Laden was even legal under international law.

Other politicians said they would have preferred to see bin Laden arrested.

Martin Lohmann, in charge of the CDU’s Working Group of Engaged Catholics, said killing anyone, even a terrorist, “can never be cause for joy for a Christian.”

“It would have been better if Osama bin Laden had been arrested and brought to justice,” he added.

Despite the criticism, most German political figures said they were relieved bin Laden would no longer be stirring up trouble.

Meanwhile, German’s BND intelligence chief Ernst Uhrlau said bin Laden’s death didn’t necessarily mean an improvement in the nation's security.

“The security forces must remain very vigilant,” he told the Hamburger Abendblatt newspaper, though he described the US operation as a success.

Uhrlau emphasized that bin Laden no longer had a day-to-day role in planning terrorist operations, but he acknowledged the man’s power as a “role model” and said terrorists would not easily be able to fill the gap bin Laden’s death leaves.




















moral idiots

Pakistan: Not our friend. HE lived there for a very long time.

Ok, we have a country held together by elmer's glue - and we have a choice to aide them or not.  If we don't, the extremists take over and have a 'modern' (relative to Sudan and Afghanistan) state in which to establish their base.  We can also aide them and keep the frail state from collapsing as quickly.

5-6 years less than a mile from their military academy, near retired generals and ISI ... and no one knew.

What a bloody lie



Bin Laden lived in Pakistan compound 5-6 years: U.S



Reuters
May 3, 2011

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Osama bin Laden lived for the past five to six years in the compound deep inside Pakistan where the al Qaeda leader was killed by U.S. forces, President Barack Obama's counterterrorism adviser said on Tuesday.

Bin Laden, who was living in Afghanistan before a 2001 U.S.-led invasion helped topple its Taliban regime, was holed up in a compound in the military garrison town of Abbottabad in Pakistan before Sunday's operation to kill him.

"Well I think the latest information is that he was in this compound for the past five or six years and he had virtually no interaction with others outside that compound. But yet he seemed to be very active inside the compound," White House counterterrorism chief John Brennan said on the CBS Early Show program.

"And we know that he had released videos and audios. We know that he was in contact with some senior al Qaeda officials," Brennan added.

"So what we're trying to do now is to understand what he has been involved in over the past several years, exploit whatever information we were able to get at the compound and take that information and continue our efforts to destroy al Qaeda," Brennan added.

The fact that the al Qaeda chief had lived in the compound for such a long time has prompted some U.S. lawmakers to demand a review of the billions of dollars in aid the United States provides Pakistan, which is fighting a Taliban insurgency.

Brennan also said the United States was considering whether to release photographs and video taken during the raid but has not yet made a decision.

"We want to make sure that we're able to do it in a thoughtful manner. We also want to anticipate what the reaction might be on the part of al Qaeda or others to the release of certain information so that we can take the appropriate steps beforehand," Brennan told CNN.

"Any other material, whether it be photos or videos or whatever else -- we are looking at it and we'll make the appropriate decisions," Brennan said.

Asked about any computers, documents and other material seized at the compound, Brennan said the material was being reviewed by U.S. authorities.

"What we're most interested in is seeing if we can get any insight into any terrorist plot that might be underway so that we can take the measures to stop any type of attack planning. Secondly, we're trying to look and see whether or not there are leads to other individuals within the organization or insights into their (al Qaeda) capabilities," Brennan said.

He said the United States was eager to learn from the material about the circumstances of bin Laden's residence in Abbottabad.

"I know the Pakistanis are interested in this -- how did bin Laden stay at that compound for the past six years or so and be undetected? What type of support did he have outside of that compound -- in the Abbottabad area or more broadly within Pakistan?" Brennan said.





 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Ding Dong - the bell tolls for them. Pakistan worries and the US celebrates.

The killing of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden represents possibly the biggest clandestine operations success for the United States since ... well, given all the conditions, betrayal, lies ... probably, the biggest clandestine success since the landing at Normandy.  The confirmation of his death is an emotional victory for the United States and will have a significant impact upon the geopolitics of the region.  Some will claim his death is irrelevant - I do not believe it is as irrelevant as many others, nor do I believe his death is the end and we simply fold up our tents and come home (as the administration will do, contrary to their public words). 

Yet come home we should, and without delay ... to a point.   Our mission, to find those responsible and bring them to justice no matter who they were, where they were, or how long it took - has largely been answered.  Our mission is done.  We should come home. 

However, we should also leave available, teams (like the ones who went in to the compound in the military city of Abbottabad) ready to insert themselves anywhere and at any time, to remove threats or high value targets.  We should insist the world recognize this will be the manner we will conduct further actions, and that unless we are physically attacked, we have no need to leave 100,000 troops roaming around a wasteland we have no interest in wandering.

There are individuals who believe we are there (Afghanistan) to conquer, and they mock the US, recalling Alexander's inability to take and hold modern day Afghanistan.  The difference - we don't want to have it, which irritates those individuals, and causes them distress that we would give our blood and wealth for something we have no desire to hold and keep.  I would strongly suggest those individuals study American history - not rhetoric, but the history, and not history as propounded by the few, but more factual history.  If you do, you will begin to understand we will outlast anyone who attacks the United States.  It is not a matter of raising Vietnam - for apples and grapefruit have no connection, but for the loose label of being fruit.  Vietnam and Afghanistan both involved US forces. 

We are willing to expend hundreds of billions of dollars and the blood of American servicemen, to hunt down those people who harm us or who pose a grave threat to the United States. 

We have demonstrated that to the world.  Now we can come home.  The taliban are factionalized - they fight and kill one another.  Some factions have joined with Karazai, others remain at war against anyone perceived to be Western or who may be supported by the West.  We have rebuilt more of Afghanistan than has existed since the early 1970s, and actually we have done more than that - we have given them the opportunity to move forward and produce a life for their families that will provide hope.  It is a choice - to move forward or backward, and that is something we cannot dictate.  What we can insist upon is that we will never allow the taliban to provide support or aid to those who plan to harm the United States.  If they do, we will return.

In Iraq - we have rebuilt that country to a level it has never reached before - from sanitation and electrification, education, and infrastructure to maintain the system - it is now their choice.  They will not be a nuclear threat to the United States nor to their neighbors.  They will continue to fight one another, for this will take time, but it is an internal issue and one we must extricate ourselves from, for we have no reason or purpose to be there.  We have removed the tyrant, rebuilt their country, dismembered al qaida in Iraq, and left in place the groups who will resist al qaida and the creation of a possible terrorist haven.  We make it very clear to Iran we will leave, but should they move into Iraq, we will be back to defend Iraq, and defeat Iran. 

We inform Russia we will not allow interference in Afghanistan, via support for the taliban or undermining of the political or economic system in that country.  That relations with the West will depend upon their actions, and will constantly be re-evaluated.

Then we leave.  We leave Iraq and we leave Afghanistan.

There will be those who insist that America is in those countries to conquer or control - to them all I can say is - good-bye and good riddance, find another conspiracy to dwell on.

We make it known we will return if ever an attack occurs against the United States, we make it clear we will outlast anyone and no one will hide from us, anywhere on earth.  All they have is time and with time, their time on earth decreases.

We make changes to our foreign aid - Pakistan has demonstrated that there are countries where the government is more corrupted than Mexico.  The Pakistani West Point was several hundred yards from Bin Laden's balcony.  A city where generals from the Pakistani military and ISI retired after they received their suitcases of cash.  This is a city where people know each other, where people talk, where ... no one knew anything, unlike other cities of equal size where you simply mention 'Hamid, the guy who lives with his mother' and anyone will point you in the correct direction.  Amazing that in this city, no one knew anything.  Yet, ask any of them (I am sure) about world conspiracies and the US interest in Iraq and they would tell you more than the NY Times.  Amazing. 

We know, if you would simply recall from a decade ago, when Clinton was about to send in missiles to Afghanistan, Madeline Albright called the Pakistani government (ISI) and informed them missiles would be flying overhead and to duck.  It is no wonder when the missiles landed no one was home.  And we should have told Pakistan?  Not unless you wanted more egg on your face.  The government of Pakistan is corrupt to the core.  End the billions we provide, cut the funding and provide them a two year window in which they can demonstrate their seriousness - clean up their mess or get nothing from us.

Leave an aircraft carrier and accompanying support craft off the coast of Pakistan at all times.  Each ship can hold several thousand Marines, aircraft, and helicopters.  We can move quickly from the carriers to anywhere we need to be, if the need arises - after we bring home the troops from Afghanistan and Iraq.

Bin Laden is dead - the snake is not just made up of the head, which we severed, but a body - and many pundits are telling us we need to worry about them.  Yes, but - over the last 10 years we have monitored the 2, 3, 4, levels below bin Laden, we have watched their every move.  We know every goat they stood behind, every crack they crawled out from, every hole they filled with their excrement - we know everything about very nearly every one of them - and we still do.  We knew all this because we were trying to find the head of the snake, and they were not useful.  But we still know where they are.  So let them take over for the dead head, and we will send them on their way to spend eternity with Satan as well.

Where we are not as aware - al qaida in Yemen and North Africa and Oman ... this is where we are lacking in intelligence, but again - Osama was a unique character.  It is immaterial that he was not active - he was their figurehead, he was their ideal, he was their motivational speaker - he was charismatic, wealthy, and historical.  No one else comes close.  No one else has the passion to pull jihadists from around the world and we will soon find, the jihadists leave and go back to their villages.  The Western figures in al qaida will follow bin Laden soon enough.

They are on the run, they are on the defensive, and hopefully we will engage them wherever they are today.  One lesson from this successful clandestine action is that we have subsidiary efforts ongoing, and they will need to be rolled up or we will lose them.  We have the snake and we have 2/3 of the body.  The final 1/3 we must methodically hunt down and kill.










bin laden is dead

Buried at Sea

Buried at Sea?

Ok, maybe, but they had to be very careful with the body.

Every sailor and marine would have had a turn at pissing on him to wash off all the impurities, afterward, they would have wrapped him very carefully in a cloth, and attached pig intestines to hold the cloth tight to the body.

Several men would have held the body as they slowly rotated it on the internal organs and bladder of the pig fanned out on the table, leaving just enough pig intestine to use to carefully wrap the body after applying a heat gun to dry out the skin/intestines.

Then, several marines would have taken a gallon or two of barrels filled with chum, and dump it into the sea out the back of the ship.  After 10-15 minutes, they would place the body in a plastic bag with a cross, and throw the bag into the sea.

Poseidon would do the rest, or the sharks.










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Pakistani Role

The area that the Dead Bin Laden was living in is a reasonably affluent community.  There are many large compounds in the area and from several reports, many military generals retire to this area when they get their suitcases full of cash from the ISI.

The compound was built in 2005 (after the war began) with defensive measures that exceed those of the area.  It is quite likely that this compound was for bin laden since 2005.  That ISI would have known, and military generals living in the area would also have had some knowledge - yet, Pakistan never revealed this to the US.  Custom built for someone like bin Laden and Pakistan didn't feel the need to inform the US, nor did the government of Pakistan deem it important enough to send in an army.

It took the US intelligence community - our CIA and SEALs to go in and remove the blight from the face of mankind and send him to hell where he can be ripped apart by Satan daily.   It is striking that their character is such they tried to hide behind a woman - believing the US would (again) let them escape.  They are to blame for the deaths of any innocents who may have died. 


It was the US who killed bin Laden, and that Pakistan played no role in bringing bin Laden to justice except to hide him from the United States.  We will pretend that Pakistan knew about our actions, that they cooperated, and we will do this in order to not shame Pakistan.

If the truth comes out, Pakistan will be seen as complicit in protecting the enemy of the United States.

And they want our money?

Not one more penny, not now, not ever.


















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The Most Hunted Man Since Adolph Hitler is Dead

I don’t have a problem now saying we should begin removing troops from that god awful country, and let them dig their own holes. Then, we should start pulling out even further from Iraq, and let them sort out their messes.



What we can leave in place is the reality that we will return if any of those miscreants takes action against the United States, ever again. 


Otherwise, they are simply not worth what we have given, not after today.

We never wanted to conquer that place, we had no interest.  We were after one man and his cabal of miscreants.  We now have the head of the snake and several of his underlings and we are finished with them.

















pakistan

Obama's Policy versus Bush Policy: Nuclear 9/11

Warm fuzzies - that everyone is a friend you don't know yet, that everyone is misunderstood and it is all the fault of the US.

OR

the world has some very bad people in, and cultures that do not promote the future, but instead promote death.  Aided by corrupt governments and gangs who profit, the world is not made up of friends, but rather it is composed of competitors and threats, with a small minority who are allies.  That bad guys respect power, not warm fuzzies.  That the only thing that keeps bad guys from doing worse is the threat they will be squished if they do.

And to think - Egypt and Saudi Arabia wanted the US to fund and assist in the development of their nuclear programs.  




Obama v Bush.






'Al-Qaida on brink of using nuclear bomb'


By Heidi Blake and Christopher Hope
The Daily Telegraph
February 1, 2011




Al-Qaida members participate in military training in Afghanistan in this file photo.Photograph by: Agence France-Presse Files, National Post, With Files From News ServicesAl-Qaida is on the verge of producing radioactive weapons after sourcing nuclear material and recruiting rogue scientists to build "dirty" bombs, according to leaked diplomatic documents.

A leading atomic regulator has privately warned that the world stands on the brink of a "nuclear 9/11".

Security briefings suggest that jihadi groups are also close to producing "workable and efficient" biological and chemical weapons that could kill thousands if unleashed in attacks on the West.

Thousands of classified American cables obtained by the WikiLeaks website and passed to The Daily Telegraph detail the international struggle to stop the spread of weapons-grade nuclear, chemical and biological material around the globe.

At a Nato meeting in January 2009, security chiefs briefed member states that al-Qaida was plotting a program of "dirty radioactive IEDs", makeshift nuclear roadside bombs that could be used against British troops in Afghanistan.

As well as causing a large explosion, a "dirty bomb" attack would contaminate the area for many years.

[Keep in mind - THEY want US out of THEIR land and to get US out, they will ensure no human can inhabit the area for decades.  Logical, rational.]

The briefings also state that al-Qaida documents found in Afghanistan in 2007 revealed that "greater advances" had been made in bioterrorism than was previously realized. An Indian national security adviser told American security personnel in June 2008 that terrorists had made a "manifest attempt to get fissile material" and "have the technical competence to manufacture an explosive device beyond a mere dirty bomb".

Alerts about the smuggling of nuclear material, sent to Washington from foreign U.S. embassies, document how criminal and terrorist gangs were trafficking large amounts of highly radioactive material across Europe, Africa and the Middle East.

The alerts explain how customs guards at remote border crossings used radiation alarms to identify and seize cargoes of uranium and plutonium.

Freight trains were found to be carrying weapons-grade nuclear material across the Kazakhstan-Russia border, highly enriched uranium was transported across Uganda by bus, and a "small time hustler" in Lisbon offered to sell radioactive plates stolen from Chernobyl.

In one incident in September 2009, two employees at the Rossing Uranium Mine in Namibia smuggled almost half a ton of uranium concentrate powder - yellowcake - out of the compound in plastic bags.

"Acute safety and security concerns" were even raised in 2008 about the uranium and plutonium laboratory of International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), the nuclear safety watchdog.

Tomihiro Taniguchi, the deputy director general of the IAEA, has privately warned America that the world faces the threat of a "nuclear 9/11" if stores of uranium and plutonium were not secured against terrorists.

But diplomats visiting the IAEA's Austrian headquarters in April 2008 said that there was "no way to provide perimeter security" to its own laboratory because it has windows that leave it vulnerable to break-ins.

Senior British defence officials have raised "deep concerns" that a rogue scientist in the Pakistani nuclear program "could gradually smuggle enough material out to make a weapon", according to a document detailing official talks in London in February 2009.

Agricultural stores of deadly biological pathogens in Pakistan are also vulnerable to "extremists" who could use supplies of anthrax, foot and mouth disease and avian flu to develop lethal biological weapons.

Anthrax and other biological agents including smallpox, and avian flu could be sprayed from a shop-bought aerosol can in a crowded area, leaked security briefings warn.

The security of the world's only two declared smallpox stores in Atlanta, America, and Novosibirsk, Russia, has repeatedly been called into doubt by "a growing chorus of voices" at meetings of the World Health Assembly documented in the leaked cables.

The alarming disclosures come after Barack Obama, the U.S. president, last year declared nuclear terrorism "the single biggest threat" to international security with the potential to cause "extraordinary loss of life".




















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Canadian Immigration Policy: More like a whale net than a fishing net.

A year or so ago, DHS Secretary Napolitano made a statement I was critical of - and rightly so, but for different reasons, ultimately, than the one I now make - several terrorists have crossed the border into the US from Canada.  I criticized her at the time and in some ways it is irony - given Obama's position on immigration and allowing anyone into this country, they should not be bothered by who crosses into the US from Canada.  On another level, our security - up until 5-6 years ago Canada had no tangible policy on foreigners being expelled from Canada.  You land in Canada, often without a passport (in part because the host country really wanted you to leave) and claim refugee status.  The Canadian Immigration people take them aside, have them fill out paperwork, question them, hand then credits for room and board, give them a notice informing them they need to show up for an immigration hearing in 45 days, and smile and tell them to have a good day, eh.  Nearly 95% never showed up for any hearing.  I am willing to bet many simply crossed into the US (their original intent).




Leading terror suspect tied to Canadian cell


Imad Mugniyah: Academic fears operations could be launched 'in and from' Canada



Stewart Bell
National Post
Tuesday, November 12, 2002



Authorities in the United States believe that one of the world's most wanted men is behind a Canadian terrorist cell that has raised money, falsified documents and bought military equipment for the Lebanese group, Hezbollah.

The agents dispatched to Canada to garner support for the terrorist group are now suspected by the United States of working for Imad Mugniyah, a senior Hezbollah leader and the suspected mastermind of attacks worldwide.

Despite a US$25-million reward posted by the FBI, Mr. Mugniyah remains on the loose and is reportedly planning strikes against U.S. and Israeli targets in retaliation for any American military action in Iraq.

Kenneth Bell, a U.S. Justice Department lawyer prosecuting a Hezbollah cell that uses Canada as a base, told the National Post he is convinced the Lebanese-Canadian operatives were working for Mr. Mugniyah.

The U.S. claim that Mr. Mugniyah's agents have established a clandestine network in Canada may add fuel to the ongoing debate over whether Ottawa should ban the Hezbollah under the new counterterrorism law.

While the Opposition wants the government to outlaw Hezbollah outright, Bill Graham, the Minister of Foreign Affairs, said he will not impose sanctions on the group [as the U.S. has done] because of its social and political activities.

"Imad Mr. Mugniyah is a key Hezbollah operational commander," said Martin Rudner, director of the Canadian Centre of Intelligence and Security Studies at Carleton University's Norman Paterson School of International Affairs.

"Reports of his presence at a recent Hezbollah-led planning meeting of terrorist groups at a remote region of South America could signal an intention to extend Hezbollah terrorist operations in the Western Hemisphere," he said.

"In such a scenario, Imad Mugniyah's control over a Canadian Hezbollah network could presage the launching of terrorist operations in and from this country."

Mr. Mugniyah is the alleged head of the Hezbollah security apparatus and is wanted in the United States for planning and taking part in the 1985 hijacking of a commercial airliner that left an American dead, according to the FBI.

He is also thought to have been behind a lengthy list of terror attacks spanning the past two decades, including the 1983 bombing of a U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut and the 1992 bombing of the Israeli embassy in Argentina.

Mr. Bell said what convinced him of Mr. Mugniyah's involvement in Canada was a fax intercepted by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service -- a message sent by Mohamad Hassan Dbouk, a Hezbollah agent in Vancouver, to his boss in Lebanon, Hassan Laqis.

"Dbouk sent one of these Palm Pilots to Laqis and the closing line to this was, 'I want you to know that I will do anything I can for you and the father, and I mean anything,' " Mr. Bell said. He believes the term "the father" referred to Mr. Mugniyah.

Later, in a telephone conversation monitored by CSIS agents, Mr. Dbouk admonished his alleged accomplice and brother-in-law, Ali Adham Amhaz, a resident of Burnaby, B.C., for mentioning the name Haj Imad on the phone.

"What a terribly dangerous thing to say," Mr. Dbouk said in the June 2, 1999, conversation. "Would anyone bring up Imad's name here or in any other country and stay alive?"

A CSIS report on the conversation said Mr. Dbouk referred to Haj Imad as "the whole story" and advised Mr. Amhaz to deny knowing the man. "Dbouk cautioned Amhaz to be careful and to pretend to know nothing," CSIS wrote.

Mr. Bell said he believes the Haj Imad mentioned in these exchanges is Mr. Mugniyah. According to Mr. Mugniyah's FBI "most wanted" poster, he uses the alias Hajj.

He is now believed to be living in southern Lebanon or Iran, but lately his name has surfaced in connection with planning in South America for a new wave of attacks against the United States and Israel.

Last week, authorities alleged that Mr. Mugniyah was directing al-Qaeda sympathizers based in the tri-border area at the junction of Argentina, Brazil and Paraguay. The plan is to launch attacks within Western countries if the U.S. military moves against Iraq.

There are only two known photographs of Mr. Mugniyah and some [people] deny he even exists. He may have had plastic surgery to disguise his appearance. Intelligence officials say all documents about his past were systematically stolen or destroyed in an attempt to erase his identity, but he is believed to have been born in Tayr Dibba, Lebanon, on July, 12, 1962.

After training with Yasser Arafat's Fatah and the Palestinian Liberation Organization, he fought in Lebanon's civil war and later served in Mr. Arafat's personal body guard, Force 17.

He is credited with establishing an Iranian-backed international terrorist network that operates within Western countries to help fulfill Hezbollah's goal of destroying Israel and establishing Islamic rule in the Middle East.

CSIS evidence presented in Federal Court called Mr. Mugniyah "an extremely violent man." A Hezbollah member caught in Canada in 1993 told CSIS agents that Hezbollah's political leaders would use Mr. Mugniyah to carry out operations outside Lebanon.

"When he joined Hezbollah -- by the way, he is a very fierce fighter -- they carried out many bombings and assassinations," Mohamed Hussein al-Husseini told CSIS. "Imad Mr. Mugniyah's group operates in great secrecy. He commands a number of men."





 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Bin Laden Hiding. Where in the World is Bin Laden?

NATO - we all have our idea where he is, and given you have tried this for over eight years, here is my suggestion.

Peshwar.  Bin Laden owned a home, rather modest in size, during the early 1980s.  He would never have disposed of it, but may have transferred ownership ... it is a city in the NW, deeply supportive of him and his cause.  Easy routing to Afghanistan and with plenty of advance warning due to the surrounding terrain, supporters hiding in hills or at a distance would warn of advancing troops at least 30 minutes before the troops arrived.

Only the drones could work or snipers taking out any number of sentries around the city.  He could walk the city without any fear.

PLUS - a tunnel would have been dug between his residence and two others within several hundred yards, for escape.

That's my suggestion.  Now - at least take a gander at his old home, check it out, please - this cretin needs to die, before tens of thousands of (or more) Americans are killed. 



NATO official: Bin Laden, deputy hiding in northwest Pakistan


By Barbara Starr, CNN
October 18, 2010 1:49 p.m. EDT





Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) -- Osama bin Laden and his deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri are believed to be hiding close to each other in houses in northwest Pakistan, but are not together, a senior NATO official said.


"Nobody in al Qaeda is living in a cave," said the official, who declined to be named because of the sensitivity of the intelligence matters involved.

Rather, al Qaeda's top leadership is believed to be living in relative comfort, protected by locals and some members of the Pakistani intelligence services, the official said.

Pakistan has repeatedly denied protecting members of the al Qaeda leadership.

The official said the general region where bin Laden is likely to have moved around in recent years ranges from the mountainous Chitral area in the far northwest near the Chinese border, to the Kurram Valley, which adjoins Afghanistan's Tora Bora, one of the Taliban strongholds during the U.S. invasion in 2001.

Tora Bora is also the region from which bin Laden is believed to have escaped during a U.S. bombing raid in late 2001. U.S. officials have long said there have been no confirmed sightings of bin Laden or Zawahiri for several years.


The area that the official described covers hundreds of square miles of some of the most rugged terrain in Pakistan, inhabited by fiercely independent tribes.

The official also confirmed the U.S. assessment that Mullah Omar, the leader of the Taliban, has moved between the cities of Quetta and Karachi in Pakistan over the last several months.

The official would not discuss how the coalition has come to know any of this information, but he has access to some of the most sensitive information in the NATO alliance.

Analysis: The finger is being pointed at Pakistan

However, Richard Holbrooke, the U.S. special envoy to Pakistan and Afghanistan, said there was nothing new to what the official was saying.

"We hardly have a day that goes by where somebody doesn't say they know where Osama bin Laden is," said Holbrooke, who was in Rome, Italy, for a conference on Afghanistan.

Another U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the exact locations for bin Laden and Zawahiri are unknown, other than that they are "somewhere in the tribal areas of Pakistan near the Afghanistan border."

"If we knew where he was -- in a house, an apartment, a villa or an underground cave or bunker -- we would have gotten him," said the official. "We can't rule out he may be in a cave one day and a house in a city on another."

The official referred to CIA Director Leon Panetta's comment a few months ago that the United States has not had any precise information about bin Laden's whereabouts for many years.

"He is, as is obvious, in very deep hiding," Panetta said. "He's in an area of the tribal areas of Pakistan that is very difficult."

As for Pakistan's role, Holbrooke said it was ultimately up to Islamabad to decide how to craft its fight against militants.

"The United States and our allies -- all would encourage them to do as much as they are able to do," Holbrooke said. "There's been a long discussion about whether ... they would go into other parts of the border area. That is for them to decide on the basis of their resources."

Pakistan's Interior Minister Rehman Malik said Monday that similar reports of bin Laden and Mullah Omar's whereabouts have proven false in the past.


Malik denied the two men are on Pakistani soil, but said that any information to the contrary should be shared with Pakistani officials so that they can take "immediate action" to arrest the pair.

Mr. Malik, one reason why we should never inform you if we do learn of their whereabouts until after they are dead or captured, is because you will (if not you personally, someone you inform) run right over and tell them to get the heck out of dodge.  We have seen how riddled with Bin Laden's allies your government is and has been since the early 1980s.



The NATO official, who has day-to-day senior responsibilities for the war, offered a potentially grimmer view than what has been publicly offered by others.

"Every year the insurgency can generate more and more manpower," despite coalition military attacks, he said.

Although there has been security progress in areas where coalition forces are stationed, he said in other areas, "we don't know what's going on."



He pointed to an internal assessment that there are 500,000 to 1 million "disaffected" men between the ages of 15 and 25 in the Afghan-Pakistan border region. Most are Afghan Pashtuns, and they make up some of the 95 percent of the insurgency who carry out attacks just to earn money, rather than to fight for a hard-core Taliban ideology, he said.



The official said it is now absolutely vital for the Afghan government to address the needs of this group with security, economic development and jobs in order for the war to end and for Afghanistan to succeed.



"We are running out of time," he said.



In recent days, Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, has made a number of public statements expressing some optimism about the progress of the war. Petraeus "doesn't think time is running out, " his spokesman, Rear Adm. Gregory Smith, told CNN.



The NATO official said the entire scenario is made more complex by the fact that "there is a huge criminal enterprise" in Afghanistan, dealing in human, drug and mineral trafficking. Those crimes are also tied in to the insurgency.



He acknowledged the overall strategy now is to increase offensive airstrikes and ground attacks in order to increase the pressure on the Taliban and insurgent groups to come to the negotiating table with the current Afghan government.



There is a growing sense that many insurgent leaders may be willing to accept conditions such as renouncing al Qaeda because they want to come back to Afghanistan.



But, the official cautioned, hard-core Taliban groups such as the Quetta Shura run by Mullah Omar, the Haqqanis, the HiG (Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin) and the Pakistani Taliban still could potentially muster as many as 30,000 fighters.



The U.S. continues to face a more localized insurgency in the south. In places like Marja and the Helmand River Valley, the majority of the fighters captured are within a few miles of their homes.



The insurgent leader Mullah Abdullah Zakir has increased his strength in the south, the official said. He essentially exerts some levels of control and influence both in the greater Kandahar region and across the south from Zabul to Farah province.



The official continued to stress the urgency of getting the Afghan government to deal with the multitude of problems it faces.



Right now, the U.S. war plan approved by President Barack Obama extends through 2014, the official said. That is the official document that spells out matters such as troop rotation schedules.



The U.S. military could sustain a war "'indefinitely," the official said. But the goal is to achieve reconciliation and allow the Afghan government to function and provide security and services to the people.



Without that, he said, "we will be fighting here forever."




















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Al Qaida Flowing Across Border: Where is the ISI and Pakistani Army?

Al-Qaida Returning to Afghanistan for New Attacks



by Yochi J. Dreazen
Monday, Oct. 18, 2010
National Journal


KABUL, Afghanistan -- Al-Qaida militants are moving back into Afghanistan to plot new attacks here, highlighting the terror group's resilience despite nearly a decade of U.S.-led efforts to prevent its return to the country.

Several dozen al-Qaida operatives have left their bases in Pakistan and taken up new positions in eastern Afghanistan's Kunar and Nuristan provinces, remote regions which lie along the porous border between the two countries, according to senior officials with the International Security Assistance Force here.

The influx of al-Qaida fighters into Afghanistan, which hasn't previously been reported, could trigger fresh attacks on coalition and Afghan targets and hamper the intensifying push to strike peace deals with moderate elements of the Taliban.

ISAF officials said that al-Qaida operatives were returning to Afghanistan because they no longer felt as secure inside Pakistan as they once did. Central Intelligence Agency drones have carried out an escalating wave of strikes on militant targets inside Pakistan, including a record 21 such attacks last month alone. The Pakistani military, meanwhile, has been conducting ongoing offensives inside several longtime insurgent strongholds.

"Al-Qaida is being squeezed by the Pakistani operations, but we're beginning to see al-Qaida in the northeastern part of Kunar," said Maj. Gen. William Mayville, the head of operations for the ISAF high command here. "Some are crossing back."

An ISAF official here estimated in an interview that up to 50 al-Qaida fighters had returned to Afghanistan and were "actively planning" fresh attacks inside the country. U.S. officials have long estimated that al-Qaida had just a few hundred operatives left inside Afghanistan, so a movement of that many fighters would represent a fairly significant boost to the armed group's depleted ranks.

"There are emerging cells of card-carrying al-Qaida members moving up into the Kunar and Nuristan areas," the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of ongoing counterterrorism operations against the militants. "We're concerned that they will use the mountainous terrain out there to build new training camps for their operatives."

ISAF officials cautioned that the returning al-Qaida fighters appeared to be low- and mid-level operatives rather than 9/11 mastermind Osama bin Laden or other members of the group's senior leadership. The officials also said the group's members in Afghanistan were focused on carrying out attacks within the country itself, not on using Afghanistan as a base for plotting strikes outside its borders.

The terror group's re-emergence inside Afghanistan, though limited in scope, highlights the difficulty of achieving lasting military gains despite nine years of hard fighting and the loss of more than 2,000 American and ISAF troops. At least 592 coalition troops have been killed this year, making 2010 the deadliest year to date of the Afghan war, according to the icasualties.org website.

U.S.-led forces first swept into Afghanistan in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, which had been planned there by members of al-Qaida, a transnational terror group which was being sheltered by the fundamentalist Taliban movement then in control of the country.

American and allied forces quickly toppled Afghanistan's Taliban government and killed or captured large numbers of al-Qaida operatives and commanders. The fugitive leadership of both groups, including bin Laden, fled into neighboring Pakistan and are believed to be residing in safe havens within Pakistan's lawless tribal areas and along the porous border between the two countries.

U.S. and NATO Special Operations forces have been actively targeting the al-Qaida operatives attempting to cross back into Afghanistan. It's a challenging mission because the militants are moving into areas of the country that have relatively few foreign troops stationed nearby and whose mountainous terrain makes it easier for the fighters to conceal their movements, weapons caches and outposts.

Still, the coalition has had some notable recent successes. In late September, ISAF forces tracked Abdallah Umar al-Qurayshi, a senior commander of the al-Qaida fighters in eastern Afghanistan, to a remote compound in the restive Korengal Valley. NATO aircraft destroyed the compound, killing Qurayshi and several other Arab militants, including an al-Qaida explosives expert named Abu Atta al-Kuwaiti.

The ISAF official said Qurayshi was al-Qaida's third highest-ranking figure inside Afghanistan.

"We considered him to be in the top of the leadership of the al-Qaida group that we are now tracking in Afghanistan, so it was good to get him," the official said.

Still, ISAF officials caution that it will be difficult to prevent militant groups like al-Qaida and the Taliban from carrying out fresh attacks inside Afghanistan so long as they continue to have havens inside Pakistan.

The officials credited Islamabad with sharing more intelligence about the groups' movements and with conducting ongoing military offensives into insurgent strongholds like South Waziristan and Peshawar.

But they criticized Pakistan for failing to move into North Waziristan, the militants' main staging area, and for continuing to provide at least tacit support to extremist groups like the Haqqani network.

"We've talked to our Pakistani counterparts about this problem," the senior ISAF official said. "There's a flow of bad guys coming across the border from Pakistan into Afghanistan, and there's not much of a reciprocal flow back into Pakistan."

















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Obama Attorney General

According to the current Attorney General, Osama bin Laden has the same rights as Charles Manson.


Hear him say this at this link.



Mr. Holder.  There is a difference between Charles Manson and Osama bin Laden.  A vast difference and apparently these differences are lost on you.

I think it would be appropriate for you to resign instead of further proving why you are a hack appointed to a job you are unqualified for.








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Where in the World is Bin Laden? In a Cave?

All these years we have joked about where bin Laden is hiding - under a rock or in a cave.  Apparently, he could very well be in a cave.  The Pakistani government have discovered a series of caves where his second in command has been hiding, and where he married a local girl (quite likely a 6 year old).





Mar 03, 2010


Pakistan finds secret al-Qaeda and Taliban underground cave complex



Pakistan's army said it had captured a key Taliban and Al-Qaeda complex dug into mountains close to the Afghan border after killing 75 local and foreign militants. Commanders gave journalists a guided tour of the bastion, which one general said numbered 156 caves developed over five to seven years.

Pakistani forces have discovered an abandoned complex of caves apparently used recently by Taliban and al-Qaeda militants, including Ayman al-Zawahiri, the second-in-command to Osama bin Laden, The Times of London reports.

The network of 156 caves is located in Damadola, in the semi-autonomous Bajaur tribal region. Pakistan Maj. -Gen. Tariq Kahn said the arrival of his forces marks the first time Pakistan's flag has flown over the village since Pakistan gained its independence in 1947, the newspaper says.

The Times reports that Pakistani officials and local residents said al-Zawahiri, an Egyptian doctor, was often seen in the area and had married a local girl.

Al-Zawahiri narrowly escaped an attack on a house in Damadola by a missile fired by a CIA drone in January 2006, the newspaper says.

The underground complex was strewn with blankets and pillows, indicating the militants fled in haste as Pakistani forces approached the area in January.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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WMDs - Perhaps it will be carried out by a 'Nigerian student' - by 2013.

The problem for us is Obama.  He does not believe this can happen.  It is not in his worldview.  islam is peaceful, the bad guys are a few disgruntled students who would change, if only the US hugged them, and gave them coffee and tea rather than bombs and death.  When this happens, as it will, if he is still the president, I cannot imagine the mayhem.  We will be told not to jump to conclusions, that his administration will find those responsible and bring them to justice.

The problem - tens of thousands of Americans will be dead, and he will want to bring someone to justice. 

Of course the Bush administration is not free of responsibility - had they simply ignored the Democrats for the last several years and plowed ahead with intelligence gathering methods, perhaps we would know more.  Had Bush ignored the rights of killers, and used whatever methods necessary to extract inform ation when possible, perhaps we would have known more.  Had Bush spent more time pushing for the rapid response teams, more satellite  coverage of our cities and coasts to analyze whatever we can detect from those tools, perhaps we could have found them while they were planning their evil deeds.  I am sure there are other tools we could have been using and should have, rather than to be tied down to hearings and investigations into intelligence gathering methods.

Instead, Americans will die for their failures; and then many innocent Muslims will die as a result of the response to their failures.  It never ends.








Al-Qaeda seeks WMD, US unprepared: reports


Jan 26 11:27 PM US/Eastern
Agence France Presse


The United States has not done enough to protect the country against the threat of weapons of mass destruction even as Al-Qaeda appears intent on staging a large-scale attack, reports said.

A bipartisan panel warned that the government had failed to adopt measures to counter the danger posed by extremists using WMD, saying the administration lacked plans for a rapid response to a possible biological attack.

"Nearly a decade after September 11, 2001, one year after our original report, and one month after the Christmas Day bombing attempt, the United States is failing to address several urgent threats, especially bioterrorism," said former senator Bob Graham, chair of the Commission on the Prevention of Weapons of Mass Destruction Proliferation and Terrorism.

He said that Washington no longer had "the luxury of a slow learning curve, when we know Al-Qaeda is interested in bioweapons."

In its "report card," the commission also gave the federal government low marks for failing to recruit a new generation of national security experts and for failing to improve congressional oversight of intelligence and homeland security agencies.

The findings came as a former CIA officer wrote in a report that Al-Qaeda's leaders have been working methodically since the 1990s to secure weapons that could inflict massive bloodshed.

Although other extremists had looked into obtaining such weapons, Al-Qaeda "is the only group known to be pursuing a long-term, persistent and systematic approach to developing weapons to be used in mass casualty attacks," wrote Rolf Mowatt-Larssen, who led the CIA's WMD department.

He acknowledged that the failure to find WMD in Iraq had damaged the US government's credibility and had spread skepticism about the threat posed by Al-Qaeda getting its hands on nuclear, biological or chemical weapons.

"That said, WMD terrorism is not Iraqi WMD," he wrote in the report released by the Harvard Kennedy School of Government's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs.

He argued that intelligence on Al-Qaeda's activities was much more extensive and reliable than the information about Saddam Hussein's weapons programs.

His report said Al-Qaeda's efforts to develop biological and nuclear weapons were not "empty rhetoric" and that the group's leaders appeared to have ruled out smaller-scale attacks with simpler devices.

"If Osama bin Laden and his lieutenants had been interested in employing crude chemical, biological and radiological materials in small-scale attacks, there is little doubt they could have done so by now," he wrote.

In a "highly compartmentalized" operation, Al-Qaeda had pursued parallel tracks to try to secure the destructive weapons, building a biological lab and separately acquiring strains of anthrax bacteria before the attacks of September 11, 2001, the report said.

The anthrax was apparently never successfully placed in a weapon and scientists working at a lab in Afghanistan had to flee when US-led forces invaded after the 9/11 attacks, it said.

In 2003, US officials feared that Al-Qaeda was on the verge of obtaining atomic weapons after intercepting a message from a Saudi operative referring to plans to secure Russian nuclear devices.

The sensitive intelligence was passed on to Riyadh and the Saudi government then arrested Al-Qaeda suspects in a major crackdown.

But US officials were never sure if the nuclear plot was disrupted or merely pushed underground.

The former CIA officer also said Al-Qaeda's second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, in 2003 had called off plans for a chemical attack on New York's subways "for something better," a cryptic remark that remains a mystery.

The bipartisan commission on the WMD threat, created by Congress, had said in its initial report in December 2008 that it was "more likely than not" that a terror attack using weapons of mass destruction would be carried out somewhere in the world by the end of 2013.









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