Showing posts with label Malaysia. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Malaysia. Show all posts

Monday, May 9, 2011

Malaysia: Religion of Peace and some questions

I have to wonder if this is a planned effort or whether they wake up and decide to act individually.  Given my diminished respect for independent thought and creativity, I do not suspect individual brilliance.




Imagine the following scenarios before going to the story:
- imagine if in the country of Doop, population 10 million, that 88% are Retro faith, 10% are Modernists and the remaining 2% are a mixture of other beliefs.  Imagine the laws of the country are written around the Retro faith, the government is a majority of Retro.  Imagine if the Modernists were unable to expand - could not build new schools or temples, could not preach their values.  The courts, police, laws, government are dominated by Retro ...   Modernists meet to discuss their future and what they can do to protect their future.   Retro citizens see this as a threat to their way of life and make accusations against the Modernists.  They call for investigations and arrests, they call for public denunciations and reaffirmations about the place of Retro life.  So in this case can Modernists be a threat in any serious way?


- imagine if in the country of Doop, population 10 million, that 88% are Retro faith, 10% are Modernists and the remaining 2% are a mixture of other beliefs.  Imagine the laws of the country are written around the Retro faith, the government is a majority of Retro.  Imagine if the Modernists were unable to expand - could not build new schools or temples, could not preach their values.  The courts, police, laws, government are dominated by Retro ...   Modernists meet to discuss their future and what they can do to protect their future.   Retro citizens see this as a threat to their way of life and make accusations against the Modernists.  They call for investigations and arrests, they call for public denunciations and reaffirmations about the place of Retro life.  So in this case can Modernists be a threat in any serious way?


- imagine if in the country of Doop, population 10 million, that 88% are Retro faith, 10% are Modernists and the remaining 2% are a mixture of other beliefs.  Imagine the laws of the country are written around the Retro faith, the government is a majority of Retro.  However imagine that the Modernists were able to contort the laws to ensure they have equal access to the courts, and that the laws are modified to comport with a newly developed view on freedom and rights.  That the majority will not rule, rather the minority will threaten or complain, until the majority revise the laws and social construction to assimilate the Modernists.  Except the modernists are not assimilating for their values become enshrined in Retro's laws and are protected.  Imagine Modernists pushing for separate laws, separate schools, a separate society within Retro that is not subject to all of the laws and social values imposed on the rest of Retro.  Imagine if the Retro could not build unless they had the agreement of all communities and for each new building built for Retro, 1 was built for Modernists.  Imagine if Modernists lobbied well in the courts and political system and new laws were created protecting the minority in real and imagined cases and each time Modernists complained, investigations and lawsuits followed until Retro citizens stopped trying to maintain their culture.  The minority groups championed this action as one that opens society up for all citizens, yet of all the minority groups, none were as interested in preserving and promoting culture as were the Modernists who seized the opportunity and expanded their reach - promoting their values everywhere.  Unlike the Retro and others who could not for fear of violating the hate laws or ethnocentric attacks ... Modernists continued their expansion into the political, religious - even asking Retro temples to let them use their temples when not used.   





Religious tensions brewing in Malaysia over claims Christians want to supplant Islam




By Sean Yoong, The Associated Press
The Canadian Press
May 8, 2011



KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia - Malaysia's government sought to defuse new religious tensions Monday following allegations that church leaders were conspiring to make Christianity the official religion in this Muslim-majority country.

Christian officials insist the accusation is a lie intended to create suspicion between ethnic Malay Muslims and religious minorities, but several Muslim activists have filed police complaints demanding an investigation into what they consider a threat to the position of Islam.

A string of religious disputes in recent years, often involving minority complaints of discrimination, has triggered persistent feelings of insecurity among both Malaysian Muslims and minorities about their religious rights in a country that prides itself on multiethnic peace.

The allegation by two anonymous political bloggers about a plot by Christian leaders received little attention until the country's leading Malay-language newspaper reported it on its front page Saturday under the headline "Malaysia a Christian nation?"

The Utusan Malaysia newspaper is owned by Prime Minister Najib Razak's Malay-dominated ruling party. It said dozens of pastors were believed to have pledged at a recent meeting to make Christianity the official religion of Malaysia and have a prime minister elected from the Christian community, which comprises about 10 per cent of Malaysia's 28 million people.

Najib said late Sunday authorities will investigate the claim, but stressed the issue should not be sensationalized.

"Calm down until we get the facts," Najib said. "If there is anyone who tries to jeopardize national peace, we will not allow it to happen because what is important is national harmony."

Christian groups acknowledge there was a meeting last week, but say it was meant to honour some Christian pastors and discuss regular religious issues, not politics.

The accusations are "insidious, provocative and malicious lies" that have "the effect of creating religious disharmony, inciting hatred and heaping odium on Christians," Archbishop Murphy Pakiam, who heads the Catholic Church in peninsular Malaysia, said in a statement.

Opposition politician Lim Guan Eng warned Monday that the government would have to "bear full responsibility for any undesirable consequences on the Christian community in Malaysia" because of Utusan's report.

Tensions surged briefly last January when 11 churches suffered firebomb attacks and vandalism amid anger among some Muslims over a court verdict allowing minorities to use "Allah" as a translation for God. Some Muslims say the use of "Allah" in Christian literature could be used to convert Muslims, who comprise nearly two-thirds of the population.


















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Sunday, January 10, 2010

Hmm. The People of Peace showing their virtue

Convent school, fifth church attacked in Malaysia



January 9, 2010


KUALA LUMPUR (Reuters) – Arsonists in Malaysia struck at a convent school and a fifth church on Sunday amid rising tensions between majority Muslims and Christians over the use of the word "Allah" to describe the Christian God.

Police in the sleepy city of Taiping, around 300 km (185 miles) from the capital Kuala Lumpur, said a petrol bomb had been thrown at the guard house of a Catholic convent school but had failed to go off.

They also said they had found several broken bottles including paint thinners outside one of the country's oldest Anglican churches, All Saints, Taiping, and said one of the building's walls had been blackened.

The unprecedented attacks risk dividing the nation of 28 million people that has significant religious minorities, and could also complicate Prime Minister Najib Razak's plan to win back support from the non-Muslims before elections due by 2013.

The issue could pose a longer-term risk of political instability for Malaysia, which has been trailing Indonesia and Thailand for foreign investment and where investors have been frightened off by the prospect of an end to the predictable rule of the coalition that has governed for 52 years.

The row, over a court ruling that allowed a Catholic newspaper to use "Allah" in its Malay-language editions, prompted Muslims to protest at mosques on Friday and sparked arson attacks on four churches that saw one Pentecostalist church gutted.

On Saturday, Najib visited the badly damaged Pentecostalist church and offered a grant of half a million ringgit ($148,100) to help it rebuild.

Government promises to provide police to protect churches were thrown into doubt after Malaysia's top police officer said on Sunday he did not have the manpower to do so and urged the churches to step up security themselves.

"We are alarmed with the escalation of violence and urge the authorities to take this seriously," Reverend Hermen Shastri, secretary-general to the Council of Churches Malaysia, told Reuters.

Malaysia is mainly Muslim and Malay but there are substantial ethnic Chinese and Indian minorities who mainly practice Buddhism, Hinduism and Christianity.

It was these minorities handed the government its biggest ever losses in 2008 state and national elections in part due to feelings of religious marginalization and growing disillusionment with corruption.

The Catholic Herald says that it needs to use to word "Allah" to describe the Christian God in order to serve Malay-speaking Christians in Borneo. Christians account for 9.1 percent of the population.

Some Malaysian Muslims say that the paper wants to use to word to confuse and convert Muslims and by midday Sunday 178,392 people has signed up for a Facebook group that opposes Christians using "Allah" (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=227724322514).

 
[So ... 178,000 people is showing the will of the people, and the individuals responsible for the attacks on Christian churches - they are not representative of Islam, but if they intimidate anyone into conceding, no one will ignore their concessions, and coupled with the majority opposing the use of the word, it should not be done.  Now let me think ... what culture is it that places an emphasis on choice and the will of the majority?  It isn't Islam, for the will of the majority must bend to the word of God, regardless of what the will may be.  So why did 179,000 people decide they needed to do a vote on this matter?  It is not within Islam to do voting.  178,000 are not a shura, and they most certainly are not alim.  Many are simple folk.  Perhaps because the tools of the West will be used against the West, handing the West over from within.  I would be smiling if I was the genius who set the facebook page up.  It is the beginning.  Be honest - what brain dead retard would make the mistake of the Bible for the Koran.  If you can read, you know the first book of the Koran is not Genesis, it would be The Cow (unless you recognize The Opening as a book versus a surah or ... in any case, it is not easy to make the mistake).  Anyone who can read, would find Jesus mentioned as the SON OF GOD which the Koran does not follow.  What is not stated and not made clear to the reader and the attentive world population is - the majority in Malaysia cannot read and or the religious who do read cannot decipher, and or everyone is unable to use any evaluatory skills in reading.  I have read parts of both and there is no way I could mistake the Koran for ... even a lost book from the Bible.  Literate people will not have a problem.  Which is why it is a concern for the religious of Malaysia.]
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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