So you will throw the lives away to establish different zones. One for the Taliban and one for Karzai. One where women are raped and murdered, and one where civilized law exists. And then, when stories of the brutality emerge, you will condemn, criticize, and demand an end to ... and then go on about your business.
The British have lost their will. This is what happens to a country that has within forty years become a socialist state - giving up its military in favor of social programs. The US, in fifty years would be in this position - negotiating with killers because we are tired of fighting.
THIS is what the Taliban and al qiada have counted on - and they are winning.
Britain calls for Northern Ireland style peace deal in Afghanistan as Brown signals end to Operation Panther's Claw
By Daily Mail Reporter
27th July 2009
The Daily Mail
A Northern Ireland-style peace deal could be struck with the Taliban in Afghanistan in a bid to end the conflict, the Government signalled today.
Ministers said that talking to the insurgents who have killed almost 200 British soldiers might be the only way to curtail the bloody war.
The suggestion of 'talks with the Taliban' came as Gordon Brown revealed the biggest offensive by UK troops in Helmand Province since the conflict began is now over.
The Prime Minister insisted Operation Panther's Claw, aimed at clearing southern Helmand of insurgents ahead of Afghan elections in August, had been worthwhile.
His announcement came as the latest soldier to die in the conflict was named as Bombardier Craig Hopson, of the 40th Regiment Royal Artillery.
In total, 20 soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan since the operation began at the end of June - 10 directly linked to the mission. Hundreds of others have been injured, many severely.
'The effort of our troops in Helmand have been nothing short of heroic. There has been a tragic human cost but this has not been in vain,' Mr Brown said.
'It has pushed back the Taliban and made it harder for them and other extremists to operate. Britain will be safer as a result.
'The men and women of our armed forces have shown once again their bravery and professionalism. The whole country is immensely proud of them.'
Commander of Task Force Helmand, Brigardier Tim Radford, hailed the 'significant' achievement and said: 'I am absolutely certain that the operation has been a success.'
Brigadier Radford, in a briefing at the MoD today, admitted it had been a 'very, very hard fight'.
'When I have been on the ground, you look into the eyes of some of the soldiers and they have certainly grown up during this period,' he said. 'My admiration for the troops on the ground has been quite huge. They have done an exceptional job.'
He refused to give details about Taliban deaths but said they had been 'significant' and had seriously affected their capability as well as their morale. Only three civilians deaths have been reported.
UK troops will remain in the region but will move into the next phase of their mission which is to hold onto ground won from the Taliban in recent weeks.
Meanwhile, Britain wants moderate Taliban fighters to lay down their weapons in a reconciliation process similar to the one struck to end the 'Troubles' in Northern Ireland.
Foreign Secretary David Miliband, speaking at Nato's headquarters in Brussels today, said a political process had to be adopted alongside military action to make peace a realistic possibility.
Less radical insurgents should be offered incentivese including jobs and land to encourage them to turn their back on the fight against coalition troops, he claimed.
'We need to help the Afghan government exploit the opportunity, with a more coherent effort to fragment the various elements of the insurgency, and turn those who can be reconciled to live within the Afghan Constitution,' he said.
'The Afghan government needs effective grass-roots initiatives to offer an alternative to fight or flight for the foot soldiers of the insurgency.
'Essentially this means a clear route for former insurgents to return to their villages and go back to farming the land, or a role for some of them within the legitimate Afghan security forces.'
He insisted a distinction had to be drawn between 'conservative' nationalists and 'those committed to violent jihad', allowing those not bent on destruction back into society.
Urging the Afghan state to take more responsibility, Mr Miliband said: 'It is only if the political will is there that a meaningful package of incentives and sanctions can be developed to support reconciliation and reintegration.
'It is only with political will that genuine progress will be made in rooting out corrupt and incompetent ministers at all levels of government; and that district by district, province by province, the Afghan Security Forces will take on responsibility for security.
'And it is only with political will that the Afghan government will succeed in deepening their co-operation with the Pakistani Authorities.'
International Development Secretary Douglas Alexander, who is currently in Afghanistan, admitted the idea of co-operation with the Taliban was a 'difficult message' to send out when they were killing British soldiers.
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Helmand leader's 'shame' at deaths of British troops
The governor of Afghanistan's Helmand Province told tribal elders the country was ashamed that scores of British soldiers have been killed helping the nation.
Gulab Mangal attacked the Taliban who have bullied civilians into submission for years and urged village leaders to lobby their people against insurgents.
He spoke to two hundred elders at a key 'shura', or meeting, in the village of Pay Kalay they should side with the coalition forces and the Afghan National Police.
He said: 'The British guys have come here to defend us against an enemy and they are dying for you. They are our guests and are getting shot at. They come to bring security for us.
'It is a source of shame and embarrassment that they are being attacked because they bring money to build our country.
'They didn't come to smash Afghanistan, they came to help us. And until we don't need them they will stay here. They have given us a great amount and are keeping you secure.'
Captain Cathy Lowder, of the Military Support and Stabilisation Team, said tribesmen still needed convincing it was worth turning their backs on the Taliban.
'Having shuras like this means we've made progress. The biggest stumbling block is some of the damage that has been caused here. There are some compounds (homes) with holes through because of the fighting and damage to crops,' she said.
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And now the US wants to negotiate. How do you negotiate with evil - they get 1/2 and can do as they wish in 1/2 and civilized behaviro will occur in the other half and no one will interfere with the other ... or does the Taliban accept 1/2 and then begin attacks on the 1/2 they do not control, it is justified in Islam to make deals with the enemy even if it appears you are abandoning jihad, in order to gain advantage and prevail against the enemy. Obama.
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